the problems are far bigger than McClaren. Not saying he souldn't go but a change in manager is not the most important thing.

Feck, i agree. But i also see what Ross is saying too

The players need to shoulder some of the blame too

Wayne Bridge was the worst player on the pitch today. The fact that i can even make that distinguish speaks volumes about how shit he was.

Gerrard and Lumps were horrible. Especially Lumps. Yeah, he had the bottle to take the penalty. But apart from that he was anonymous.

These players are experienced enough to know how to play the beautiful game.

There's no passion. They dont get stuck in. There's nothing about them thats special.

Sven wasnt too bad, tbh. He lasted too long, and we simply got tired of him. But think back to when he took over. the 5-1 victory over the germans? beating argentina in japan? Sven was able to get the job done.

McClown failed. Failing to beat Macedonia!

What pisses me off though is that all we needed was a DRAW today, against a team that ALREADY QUALIFIED and had NOTHING TO PLAY FOR.

a DRAW. it sounds simple. and should have been. Manager cocked up with the formation and tactics. the players too cocked up - Carson/Bridge/Gerrard/Lampard to name the 4 worst players.

*Props to Becks tho. He warrants a recall if he continues like that. (Or maybe he was mediocre but the shit players around him today made him shine? lol)

Great No. 2's don't make nearly as good no. 1's





P.s I'm fucking excatic (S big fucking P?)

Many a lesson to be learned from this qualifying campaign.

1) The FA has to stop letting the media do the hiring and firing.
2) David Beckham should never have been dropped from the first eleven. Beckham is the most dedicated footballer that I have ever seen in an England shirt, and he deserves to be picked purely for his performances in it. He puts lazy vaginas like Frank Lampard to shame, and his overall contribution outweighs that of Shaun 'one good game in ten' Wright-Phillips.
3) Drop Frank Lampard.
4) Replace him with a holding midfielder. Steven Gerrard is currently our best attacking centre mid, and he can't do his job properly if he's got to worry about defending the hole between midfield and defence. Owen Hargreaves, Gareth Barry, Michael Carrick; we've got a healthy selection of top quality players who can fill that gap and allow Gerrard to get forward.
5) Tactics and formation first, players second.
6) Pick them on form, not reputation. If Lampard is playing better than Gerrard, pick him first, but don't try and fucking crowbar them both into a formation that doesn't suit them.
7) Feel free to leave out Michael Owen. His injuries are a constant disruption, and in Peter Crouch we've got a centre forward who has proved that he can shoulder the goal scoring responsibility, given good service.
8) And Joe Cole. Just because he can use both feet doesn't mean that he will. He doesn't look remotely interested in playing for England.

Still, credit where it's due.

Peter Crouch. Looks the part.
David Beckham. Would probably swim the Atlantic to play in an England shirt.
Wayne Rooney. His work ethic is second to none, and he's a constant threat.
Gareth Barry. Arguably our best player this campaign, despite limited appearances.
Steven Gerrard. His commitment is irrefutable, but we cant expect him to rescue us in every game.

And as for McClaren?

Sack the fucker. Now. And don't pay him another penny. Gross incompetence should not equal another five million in the bank account.

Oh, and I've decided to back Portugal. There's only one Ronaldo.

the upset was so huge that it made the 11 pm news in new york!! i never thought i'd see the day that soccer/football would be covered locally in the u.s., let alone non-u.s. clubs!

but yeah, croatia... that's gotta hurt.

I refused to watch the game until Beckham came on purely as if anybody can turn the team around it's him. If Hargreaves was fit he shouldn't have been on the bench, he's a brilliant defensive midfielder and gets stuck in, Croatia were constantly attacking us and we needed someone like Hargreaves to get stuck in at the back.

And why put Crouch up front on his own in a 4-5-1 formation? Crouch is shite anyway, too tall to cause any threat coming forwards on his own and his ball control isn't good enough.. McClaren's whole England squad since his appointment was 'Get the ball wide and cross it to the tall bloke's head'..... simply fantastic

no thanks i want an englishman.

how about Harry Redknapp

On merit, I actually think he wouldn't be a bad appointment.

Fucking no chance. In Capello we've got a proven world class coach who has shown interest in the job, and we're going to overlook him for a man who's never actually achieved anything in management, just because he's English?

Haven't you people learned anything? That's the kind of thinking that gave us Steve McClaren in the first place.

'On merit', my arse.


What the fuck does Peter Crouch have to do to get some appreciation? He puts in twice the effort of Michael Owen, and his goal record thus far more than stands up to Owen's. He's proven himself more than capable.

Many strikers (for example Defoe, Johnson) have been given the same opportunity, and Crouch is the only one who's justified his selection game in, game out.

Don't get me wrong, if I were English I'd be hoping for Mourinho or Capello.

I just think Redknapp is a proven very competent coach, who's done very well pretty much wherever he's gone. He'd probably snap up some Africans for the English team!

Whereas when McClaren got the England job, he was doing horrible things with Middlesboro (especially in the league) despite making the UEFA Cup Final (does anyone remember how particularly crap the teams they met were until they met Sevilla and got walloped? And they had some horrible horrible performances against the shite along the way)

Harry Redknapp is ok

but as we've learned, we cant appoint on merit

ok, McClaren always sucked. But he was appointed for his "stunning" run with Boro in the Uefa cup.

As much as i hate Mourinho, he's exactly what England needs.