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Post by webm@ster on Aug 19, 2005 10:05:33 GMT -5
This week marks 10 years since the height of Britpop, when Blur and Oasis went head-to-head in the charts. Is the current crop of UK bands now picking up where they left off? Franz Ferdinand have sold more than a million albums in the US In the mid-1990s, bands like Blur, Oasis, Pulp, Suede and Supergrass gave British music one of its most successful periods for decades.
But, with the benefit of a decade's hindsight, was it all just a dummy run for what could be Britpop's finest hour?
British groups seem to be taking the world by storm again. Franz Ferdinand came from nowhere to sell more than a million copies of their debut album in the US alone.
Kaiser Chiefs, borrowing a guitar-pop template that would have been at home in the heady days of 1994, have created enough buzz to perform at the Philadelphia leg of Live 8.
And Keane, a band whose sound owes much to post-Britpop groups such as Travis and Coldplay, have become stars from Mexico to New Zealand.
Kaiser Chiefs - early Blur for 2005? As for Coldplay, their songs waft out of malls in Toronto, beachside bars in Bali and Moscow nightclubs. They are arguably the biggest band in the world.
So are we seeing British groups reap the rewards of the efforts of bands a decade ago?
"You could say that, but you'd be wrong," according to Andrew Mueller, who was reviews editor of music weekly Melody Maker during the Britpop years.
"Coldplay's success in the US has been, if anything, despite Oasis and Blur, not because of them. "Coldplay have, instead, followed the U2 model - embrace the place, tour relentlessly, show up at every meet-and-greet you're invited to, smile, be gracious, be humble and don't complain that the Yanks don't make tea properly."
Mr Mueller thinks much of the music from the Britpop period has not aged particularly well.
Coldplay have had the international success that eluded Oasis "With that scene, as with others, a lot of really good stuff attracted imitation by a vast legion of ambulance-chasers and bandwagon-jumpers," he says.
"Pulp's Different Class and Blur's Parklife still sound just dandy. Whereas it is difficult, not to say disturbing, to imagine anyone still listening to Menswear."
Menswear guitarist Simon White now manages Bloc Party, one of the most acclaimed bands of the new indie crop, and says most Britpop bands were "not really that great".
Like Britpop, record labels are again desperate to sign any acts with a certain sound, he says.
"Any old band is getting a record deal if you've got some of the right influences.
"I think the quality's really low at the moment if anything. I think there's very little that will stand the test of time here."
These bands today haven't had the phenomenal status at home
Mark Sutherland BBC 6 Music Mark Sutherland, an ex-Melody Maker editor and NME staff member who is now news editor of BBC 6 Music, thinks this generation's most successful bands have learned the mistakes of Britpop.
But he also says bands as popular as Coldplay are not as big as Oasis were in 1995.
"I think it's hard to understand it unless you were there," he says. "They were as big as any British band ever - as big as The Beatles.
The class of 1995 included Jarvis Cocker (left) and Damon Albarn (right) "These bands today haven't had the phenomenal status at home, they have been more concerned about the international market."
Blur and Oasis did not crack American because they did not need America, he argues.
"Whereas even a band like Franz Ferdinand - who are thought of as being a bit more arty - are prepared to play that game."
Franz Ferdinand's million-strong US sales would have been unheard of for mid-'90s also-rans such as Sleeper, Echobelly and Cast.
But Britpop may go down as Britain's last great unifying music scene, says Jody Thompson, a former news editor at NME.
Maybe the Kaiser Chiefs and Franz Ferdinand can eventually match up to the 90s Britpop era but it's hard to tell right now with only their debut albums to go by.
Kirsty Telford
Your Britpop thoughts "That's not necessarily for it's quality, but because of the political, artistic and social climate of the time as well," she says.
"Britpop kind of became the poster boy for a resurgence of British culture as a whole and all aspects became interconnected - like Damien Hirst directing Blur's Country House video."
Bands getting success now may find it lasts longer, she says.
"But then it's probably more liberating for the bands around right now anyway - they can develop at their own speed without the weight of the nation's expectations on their output."
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Post by globe on Aug 19, 2005 10:15:58 GMT -5
Menswear guitarist Simon White now manages Bloc Party, one of the most acclaimed bands of the new indie crop, and says most Britpop bands were "not really that great". lets face it, he should know about not really great bands
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Aug 19, 2005 11:44:37 GMT -5
interesting read, but I think the crop of bands now are really bonifide especially band like jet, franz ferdinand, kasabian, the strokes and others are only going to be bigger as they release more records...this truly is a good era for music, but is only dashed by bands like coldplay and keane who stand for nothing, not even rock n roll.
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Post by thebluesgnr on Aug 19, 2005 13:49:06 GMT -5
These bands are ok but they lack brilliant songs, which is what made people consider Oasis the best thing since the Beatles in the UK at the time. The only reason this article was written was not the quality of the new bands, but the number of new bands that are showing up.
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Aug 19, 2005 15:12:00 GMT -5
btw... Columbiah, Jet are Australian.
I think a few bands have potential to 'raise' Britpop. I think the Kaisers and Kasabian are our best bets for getting close to 'Britpop'. Seeing as Britpop is my favourite music era i'm not sure they will do it at the moment, it could happen but i feel the musical wave is still being shared with the likes of The Killers, a great band but a great American band
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Post by Dominic on Aug 19, 2005 15:59:11 GMT -5
menswear are shit, i mean dreadful, like a really really bad suade tribute band
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Post by bankholiday on Aug 19, 2005 23:26:59 GMT -5
Franz Ferdinand, Bloc Party & Kaiser Chiefs will never compare to Oasis, Blur and Pulp. That's it.
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Post by rockandroll on Aug 20, 2005 2:13:07 GMT -5
"But then it's probably more liberating for the bands around right now anyway - they can develop at their own speed without the weight of the nation's expectations on their output." Spot On...these new bands don't have the pressure of any of the bands circa '95, they can do pretty much whatever they want and no one really cares..they're just bands...all those ''britpop'' bands were more than just music acts, people were affected by these bands moves and it won't happen with any of these new bands The fact of comparing all these new bands to the ones from the britpop movement is a bit insulting...or probably just ignorant And Keane have become stars from Mexico to New Zealand. This sucks ;D
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Post by MSprague01 on Aug 20, 2005 2:15:15 GMT -5
There is no way that what's around right now will measure up to britpop. There are some really good bands around right now, but there isn't that one really great band that can define the era like Oasis did. Even though Coldplay is really popular and has quite a few really good songs, they lack that certain something that makes them great that Oasis had.
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Post by Wireless on Aug 20, 2005 8:05:50 GMT -5
Menswear
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Post by wash25 on Aug 21, 2005 2:50:37 GMT -5
Nothing says rocknroll like being humble and polite to sell records.
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Post by shakermaker00 on Aug 26, 2005 0:11:06 GMT -5
Menswear guitarist Simon White now manages Bloc Party, one of the most acclaimed bands of the new indie crop, and says most Britpop bands were "not really that great". meanswear were fuckin mega. they looked like vaginas but they were a fuckin great live band lets face it, he should know about not really great bands
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Post by shakermaker00 on Aug 26, 2005 0:18:52 GMT -5
and now my oppinion on this whole subject that has been floating around for quite some time. i honestly think it all started with the strokes, when their first album came out they were hailed as the new oasis with the album getting 10/10 in nme. this came at a time when the demise of nu metal started to begin. to me it looked like the record companies were looking for a new in genre to fill the shelfs that could appeal to the kids that were somewhere inbetween being too old for plastic pop acts and too busy with college or work to really care about music ie. the core market for music sales. slowly after the strokes started all these bands started to show up like mushrooms in a fuckin moist forest. i had no idea that many people were even making this kind of music and it alerts me as being a big con and marketing scheme. my oppinion is that the mayority of those bands are just as manufactured as jessica simpson or britney spears so in my eyes it has nothing in common with what happened in the 90s. of course then too you had the bandwagon jumpers but the core of this whole scene consists of twats who were put together to be what is appealing. sorry, i'm bad at typing long texts cos i never remember where i started and yeah thats just my oppinion too. if you dont like it shut the fuck up
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Post by webm@ster on Aug 26, 2005 0:25:28 GMT -5
not to change the subject but your sig cracks me up every time i see it, I had an old Jewish Audio Engineering Professor way back when I studied it . He was from the Bronx and his favorite silence filler was OI. We had a corner in the Audio Lab with lines carved into the work bench counting the OIs for a 45 min class. I believe his record was 47......
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Post by carlm on Aug 26, 2005 12:57:27 GMT -5
Didn't the second wave come when Oasis released SOTSOG?
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Aug 29, 2005 16:13:23 GMT -5
The only thing that really gets me going in that article is that Oasi never cracked America.
DM has gone platinum.
MG got to #4 and went over 4x platinum.
BHN went to #2 and went Platinum.
Sold out concerts.
About 7 + million albums sold, but they didn't carck America?
B.S.
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Post by reeny1987 on Sept 3, 2005 5:40:45 GMT -5
to be quite honest britpop will never happe n again the bands are not the same , not as big and play some decent tunes but not great.
If you look at the American market it is filterred with that mcuh shit that many mediorre bands are being played that would not cut it back in the early 90's
i see a similiar situation now as to what happened when Nirvana first burst on the seen
apart from the rock music scene in Australia which was thriving and created bands such as ACDC, Midnight Oil, Cold Chisel and later on towards the end of the 80's INXS there was absolute shit all going for the music scene with crap like Jacko and Hair Metal and that sought of shit Nirvana blew everything away and along with it came other great bands such as pearl jam, soudgarden etc. Britpop really took off when grunges popularity from about 90-93 died out.
Britpop was ne exciting music which cam with it a whole host of bands.
If you class bands such as bloc party and franz ferdinand as britpop yoour joking, they are more art rock.
My beleif is that with all the produced shit these days where record companies dicktate commercial radio playlists the music industry looks bleak for the next few years unless something happens
Coldplay have been the one band of this new era i cant think of anything else.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Sept 3, 2005 7:55:15 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned the industry needs another Oasis; a band that basically everyone can connect to. Coldplay are a great band but they're kind of middle-class and I think a lot of people don't quite 'get' them; what we need now is a down-to-earth band with decent songs.
There's a lot of 'working-class', simple music out there, the problem is that it's not good enough.
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Sept 3, 2005 8:41:08 GMT -5
As i said a while ago in this post.
I think the next 'Big Thing' provided they don't fuck it up will be the Kaiser Chiefs.
I think that the Darkness actually could have been but they changed their image too early from the start. They could have been a semi-decent rock band but with that Justin twat's ego (put on for the press i must add as my cousin has met him) and their early songs were 'ok' but they really did think they were bigger than they were
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Post by caro on Sept 3, 2005 9:11:23 GMT -5
As i said a while ago in this post. I think the next 'Big Thing' provided they don't fuck it up will be the Kaiser Chiefs. I think that the Darkness actually could have been but they changed their image too early from the start. They could have been a semi-decent rock band but with that Justin twat's ego (put on for the press i must add as my cousin has met him) and their early songs were 'ok' but they really did think they were bigger than they were the darkness are arrogant but they have no reason to be...just shit music, shit videos, shit clothes and shit behaviour... i still remember that story about glastonbury... they wanted 1million£ to do it!!!! ffs who do they think they are?!!! even biggest acts like oasis, the verve, radiohead, muse, coldplay or paul mccartney never had such divas demands!!! sorry i cant stand them ;D as for kaiser chiefs i like them...they have good tunes, the singer has a nice voice but i cant see them become as big as oasis for example... there are many new good bands with good songs but nothing like oasis IMO maybe the strokes...time will tell us... but not as big as oasis that's for sure... they're releasing their 3rd album and havent lived what oasis have lived with their first 2 albums... i think their fanbase isnt as great as oasis fanbase ;D
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Post by giggergrl on Sept 3, 2005 9:35:39 GMT -5
i've tried these new bands, i really have listened, but they are sooooooooooo booring... gonna ck out new brmc, heard it's killer ....
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Sept 3, 2005 10:28:05 GMT -5
As i said a while ago in this post. I think the next 'Big Thing' provided they don't fuck it up will be the Kaiser Chiefs. I think that the Darkness actually could have been but they changed their image too early from the start. They could have been a semi-decent rock band but with that Justin twat's ego (put on for the press i must add as my cousin has met him) and their early songs were 'ok' but they really did think they were bigger than they were the darkness are arrogant but they have no reason to be...just shit music, shit videos, shit clothes and shit behaviour... i still remember that story about glastonbury... they wanted 1million£ to do it!!!! ffs who do they think they are?!!! even biggest acts like oasis, the verve, radiohead, muse, coldplay or paul mccartney never had such divas demands!!! sorry i cant stand them ;D as for kaiser chiefs i like them...they have good tunes, the singer has a nice voice but i cant see them become as big as oasis for example... there are many new good bands with good songs but nothing like oasis IMO maybe the strokes...time will tell us... but not as big as oasis that's for sure... they're releasing their 3rd album and havent lived what oasis have lived with their first 2 albums... i think their fanbase isnt as great as oasis fanbase ;D i said the Darkness could have been. Let me just get the point forward that i do not like them in any way! I agree that the Strokes have the potential but i think that for the time they have been around they have not done as much as the likes of Blur and Oasis had done in that time. They are not a strong band but i have found some new respect for Athlete and i see them as a 'new' Travis if they were to be compared with another band. Kaiser Chiefs will be very big as long as they keep a hold of it
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Post by caro on Sept 3, 2005 10:33:54 GMT -5
i know you said could and i'm not accusing you of liking them ;D i just hate them and dont understand why some ppl like them!!
i totally agree with you concerning the strokes, as for athlete i cant tell, i dont know them...
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Post by tezza202 on Sept 3, 2005 10:58:08 GMT -5
Hard-Fi have a very Oasis-esque style about them. Although I don't think they have really hit the heights other new bands have got to yet. Agreed though, Kaiser Chiefs can become great if they put out another top album.. Or when The Libertines re-unite we'll have another great band (again)
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Sept 3, 2005 11:51:02 GMT -5
i know you said could and i'm not accusing you of liking them ;D i just hate them and dont understand why some ppl like them!! ok.. i just had to make that totally sure with everyone. The Doves could be quite big though.. depends on how their future concerts go, they haven't go the limelight they deserve to be honest but they're getting some festivals in and expanding their fanbase and media coverage. edit- although they're actually not that new I've also heard good things about the Editors. No offense to anybody that likes them but i hope that the future of British music is not left to the likes of the Ordinary Boys, i know a few people who are fans of them.. the kind of people who think that they are music fans but know fuck all about music. They also seem to be people who are 'popular' (in otherwords Sheep who tend to follow the flock).
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