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Post by jayg on Jul 27, 2004 12:31:58 GMT -5
I read a quote somewhere, actually it might have been from here but ive had a few beers so my heads abit woozy!! Had a stormer last nite by the way!  The quote was from some journalist and it fuckin summed it up: " Liam gallagher is the only rock n roll star who gives everything to a song and takes nothin for himself" Spot on!! |
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Jul 27, 2004 14:52:59 GMT -5
Ive got a video from totp or cduk of em doing songbird and she says its gone straight to number one?  that was before the official chat show on the sunday (the official places) these things change throughout the week, the person at the end of the week gets the place and official record, Songbird was at the very beginning of the week (i'll give you that) but didn't withhold it. I love Oasis because they have influenced me so much musically but i thought Songbird was the weakest single off of that album, in my opinion it should have been Hung in a Bad Place or Force of Nature instead. |
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Post by helterskelter07 on Jul 29, 2004 0:32:54 GMT -5
best voice ever? you might like it alot but it's not even close to the best voice ever. you don't know music if you think he had the best voice. he voice sounded cool, he can't hit notes that most great singers can, and he definately can't beat singers like Bono, Micheal Stripe, Neil Young, John Lennon and Paul Mccartney, Axel Rose, Stevey Nix, etc... Liam has a great sounding voice, but it's not the voice with the most talent and skill behind it. All those "DIVAS" have better voices,in the way they can hold notes and such, they just sing shite music. i think he meant that liam has an absolute original voice....i mean has ne1 every heard the raw and jagged voice with such clearity and skill as liam...i mean ya bono, neil young (not axel rose, his voice is shite ) they have great voices but liam gallagher has such a recognizable voice and thats what makes it original and amazing... only my opinion though, i could be wrong.. also songbird has gone number 1 on that top of the pops thing..if that matters or not i dont no, but i have the video to, the girl is like "congradulations liam gallagher, songbird is no.1 on this weeks top of the pops...." |
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Post by jayg on Jul 29, 2004 10:32:51 GMT -5
Its not totp. The girl congratulating liam gallagher is cat dealy who presents CDUK!!!
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Post by ev on Jul 30, 2004 13:31:30 GMT -5
well all i gotta say about this topic now is that without noel there would be no oasis. there would be no DM - SOTSOG type albums.
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Post by Bittersweet on Jul 31, 2004 4:03:24 GMT -5
well all i gotta say about this topic now is that without noel there would be no oasis. there would be no DM - SOTSOG type albums. No matter who wrote them, the songs had to be Liamised to sell - is it my imaginatuuuuuuuun? Cigs and alcohol wouldn't have made the top 40 let alone been an anthem if Noel had of busked Definitely Maybe or brought in another frontman there is no guarentee they could have had the impact Liam did on those songs and on recent evidence he isn't a bad songwriter himself. Songbird was one of the catchiest radio tunes Oasis had produced in years Don't get me wrong Noels type of Sad Songs, Half the world away, masterplan, talk tonight etc are fine but you get the contrast in styles to the music Oasis generally make to sell to the masses Essentially this argument is pointless because Oasis is a double act of Noel and Liam and a band of fantastic musicians who do their bit im sure but on current form 70% of the appeal to Oasis for me comes from Liams voice/rockstar mystique and 30% Noels songwriting/guitar playing since he can still write a great tune but isn't as fluent as the early years |
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Post by SonOfTheStage on Jul 31, 2004 9:23:23 GMT -5
70/30?? Its 50/50 mate, always was and always will be. Noels ying to Liams yang. That soaring voice to those beautiful lyrics. The swagger to the smarts.
Noel and Liam are Oasis. And they wudnt be anything without the other. And they know that...
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Post by RicoRicardo on Jul 31, 2004 12:35:59 GMT -5
I've read several different opinions on heathen chemistry and the state of Oasis , but no one seem to enter the truth. The fact is, Noel has lost his songwritting ability, inspiration and musical vision. Liam on the other hand is blossoming as a songwritter. In my opinion, the only two good songs on heathen chemistry were Songbird and Born on a Different Cloud. I myself am a songwritter. My standards for judging a song is simply this: is it written with inspiration? Both of those songs were the only inspired songs on the album. This suggests that Liam has entered into a inspired creative period of his life. As far as whats happening with the band, this is what I believe is happening. Liam has written the only good songs so far for the forthcoming album. Death in Vegas started producing some awesome Liam penned songs with incredable inspiration and vision. These songs would have created an evolved Oasis sound which was similar to early oasis hits, with a unique Liam and Scorpio Rising tinge. I believe that Liam and Death in Vegas worked incredably well together. Noel, having written shite songs, and having tyrant control over the band, was jealous and sacked Death in Vegas. Thus screwing the band and all Oasis fans and even the future of rock. As far as I'm concerned Be Here Now and SOTSOG were not as good as Definately Maybe and Whats The Story, but they at least had some inspiration behind them. Heathen Chemistry has nothing but crappy Noel penned songs, and marks the end of Noels inspiration. Liam picked up where Noel left off, and wrote the best songs since Whats The Story. His songs are inspired and also have a visionary aspect. They point to the dirrection where the band should go musically. Noel not only writes bad songs these days also has terribly bad judgment. If he would only allow Liam to take creative control of the band and allow as many Liam penned songs on the forthcomming, Oasis would have a huge hit record that could even ignite a new "Cool Brittania/Britpop" movement. Another thing about Noel. He is always judging and critisizing other bands. He is always talking about how great his songs are when they are crap. This shows that he is out of touch with what is and isn't good musically. Don't get me wrong, if it wasn't for Noel the band wouldn't be where it is today. He deserves alot of credit for what he has accomplished. But its time for him to pass the torch onto Liam. I think people have a hard time understanding what exactly is going on with Oasis because they are loyal to Noel and thus believe everything he says. Liam has always been MAD FER IT. He has never stopped believing in himself or the band. If John Lennons soul has really leaped into Liam, then its time for oasis to harnis this power. If only Noel could read this thread maybe the next album could be mega. You my friend, are retarded. |
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Post by compus on Jul 31, 2004 14:10:32 GMT -5
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Post by Bittersweet on Jul 31, 2004 18:05:41 GMT -5
70/30?? Its 50/50 mate, always was and always will be. Noels ying to Liams yang. That soaring voice to those beautiful lyrics. The swagger to the smarts. Noel and Liam are Oasis. And they wudnt be anything without the other. And they know that... Liam could always work with DIV again and Noel could rediscover his party shoes with the chemical brothers  50/50 early b-sides and first two albums yes but what about Be Here Now? That album must contain some of the worst lyrics in rock history but its not so bad because the melody despite overproduction of some songs is ok (well done Noel) and guess who sung his socks off on that album and made lines like the following sound awesome? - "build something, build a better place and call it home even if it means nothing you'll never feel that you're alone" etc |
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Post by holdonecho on Aug 3, 2004 18:03:56 GMT -5
Oasis is all about the chemistry and friction between the brothers.
Their music rocked hardest when they joined forces on their way to conquering the world...things only got shaky when they reached the top and lost the drive.
Liams voice may be the best instrument in Oasis but Noels songs are the band.
Even on HC.
No disrespect to those of you who claim Liam as the next Dylan but IMO,
SCYHO, LBL, HT, SIOL and ID piss all over
Songbird, Better Man and BOADC
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Post by polsh on Aug 4, 2004 6:47:31 GMT -5
When Liam writes one that goes to number one ill agree? ? Lol looks like u agree cos songbird went straight number one ;D songbird only made numer 3...... hindu times #1 scyho and lbl #2 |
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Post by Bittersweet on Aug 4, 2004 12:12:48 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Idler's Dream was a great tune but why wasn't it on HC? and why does Noel sing some rockers now, it doesn't make sense, he is best singing mellow - please no shouting. Half the world away was fine
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Post by gazplayford on Aug 5, 2004 13:28:52 GMT -5
Putting Idlers Dream as a B side means you get more when you buy the single, and if songs sound like b sides theyre gonna be used as b sides, no matter how good they are, eg. Acquiesce.
Liam wouldnt be able to sing the rocky songs that Noel sings like the chorus of Force Of Nature,in the studio maybe but not every other day live for a few months.That doesnt mean hes a worse singer,but Noel hasnt had to sing as much as Liam has over the years coz hes only been the backing singer.
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Post by belgallagher on Aug 9, 2004 20:35:33 GMT -5
i think you've never fuckin bought morning glory nor definitely maybe dude...really...i know...we are all pruod of liam's songbird...but born on a different cloud & better man & little james, just are THE SAMEEE. they dont have noels spark...lol...know what I mean? well...cyas... |
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Post by belgallagher on Aug 9, 2004 20:36:39 GMT -5
I think you've never fuckin bought morning glory nor definitely maybe dude...really...i know...we are all pruod of liam's songbird...but born on a different cloud & better man & little james, just are THE SAMEEE. they dont have noels spark...lol...know what I mean? well...cyas... ! |
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Post by Elan Morin Tedronai on Aug 10, 2004 12:14:39 GMT -5
Noel jealous? There isn't much logic in it. Noel is considered as one of the best songwriters of the 90ies and for me he, Thom Yorke and on some point Damon Albarn ARE the best songwriters of the 90ies. And I think that his singing abilities are much underestimated. Sunday Morning Call and Force of Nature are prove for this. Heathen Chemistry has it peaks and without SCYHO and Little by Little I surely doubt that it'll be at the same level as it is by now. And I think it's great.
Liam Gallagher on the other hand is really great singer. No doubt his job in Oasis is amazing. No fucking doubt, Liam Gallagher has trully fantastic voice and it doesn't cease to appeal me, although by now it's far from the state of Oasis' early years.
Trully Liam has develloped songwriting abilities. Born on a Different Cloud is venomous ballad and Better Man is a fantastic rocker. As I recall he had 5 songs for the Chemistry and they choose the 3 best of them. And AFAIK Noel had stated THAT HE'S PROUD WITH HIS BROTHER, NOT JEALOUS OR SOMETHING... And as far as EVERYBODY FUCKING FAN OF OASIS is concerned Noel contribution in Oasis is surely a proven fact. So really there's really no jealousy in their relationship. It's really a bit illogical and exaggerated to say that Noel is jealous of Liam songwriting contribution to the band. I'm sure although they are quarelling that Noel is really proud with his little brother. As every man of art would be...
For their next production they have as well many Liam songs, many Noel's and few Gem's and Andy's. Surely kicking Whitey was a downfall, but... I stopped complaining so much. I'm happy about what they've made so far and if I have another SotSoG (which is one of the best Oasis' albums for me) I won't cry for sure.
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