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Post by cullen90 on Jul 24, 2004 11:07:35 GMT -5
I've read several different opinions on heathen chemistry and the state of Oasis , but no one seem to enter the truth. The fact is, Noel has lost his songwritting ability, inspiration and musical vision. Liam on the other hand is blossoming as a songwritter. In my opinion, the only two good songs on heathen chemistry were Songbird and Born on a Different Cloud. I myself am a songwritter. My standards for judging a song is simply this: is it written with inspiration? Both of those songs were the only inspired songs on the album. This suggests that Liam has entered into a inspired creative period of his life.
As far as whats happening with the band, this is what I believe is happening. Liam has written the only good songs so far for the forthcoming album. Death in Vegas started producing some awesome Liam penned songs with incredable inspiration and vision. These songs would have created an evolved Oasis sound which was similar to early oasis hits, with a unique Liam and Scorpio Rising tinge. I believe that Liam and Death in Vegas worked incredably well together. Noel, having written shite songs, and having tyrant control over the band, was jealous and sacked Death in Vegas. Thus screwing the band and all Oasis fans and even the future of rock.
As far as I'm concerned Be Here Now and SOTSOG were not as good as Definately Maybe and Whats The Story, but they at least had some inspiration behind them. Heathen Chemistry has nothing but crappy Noel penned songs, and marks the end of Noels inspiration. Liam picked up where Noel left off, and wrote the best songs since Whats The Story. His songs are inspired and also have a visionary aspect. They point to the dirrection where the band should go musically.
Noel not only writes bad songs these days also has terribly bad judgment. If he would only allow Liam to take creative control of the band and allow as many Liam penned songs on the forthcomming, Oasis would have a huge hit record that could even ignite a new "Cool Brittania/Britpop" movement.
Another thing about Noel. He is always judging and critisizing other bands. He is always talking about how great his songs are when they are crap. This shows that he is out of touch with what is and isn't good musically.
Don't get me wrong, if it wasn't for Noel the band wouldn't be where it is today. He deserves alot of credit for what he has accomplished. But its time for him to pass the torch onto Liam.
I think people have a hard time understanding what exactly is going on with Oasis because they are loyal to Noel and thus believe everything he says.
Liam has always been MAD FER IT. He has never stopped believing in himself or the band. If John Lennons soul has really leaped into Liam, then its time for oasis to harnis this power.
If only Noel could read this thread maybe the next album could be mega.
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Jul 24, 2004 11:15:52 GMT -5
I'm very sorry but when Liam writes a song which gets to number one i'll agree with you.
Noel has been a lot wiser than Liam over the past 10 years and has done a lot for the band. I liked all the songs on HC equally, i thought the ones released were however not right for music and not Oasis fans.
In my opinion after Glastonbury i actually like Noel more than Liam and feel he has retained his voice better however this is just MY opinion and i won't stop other expressing theirs the same as i would expect people repressing mine.
I agree that outside Oasis, Liam has done great things but i also feel that Noel has and being a guitarist i like Noel's work seeing as when i learnt guitar i learnt a hell of a lot of Oasis and my guitaring inspiration is Noel.
This is a big subject and i can say is that i fucking hope that it doesn't split the Oasis fans!!!!
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Post by Tomo on Jul 24, 2004 12:31:58 GMT -5
One question for Cullen90:
Have you heard any of Noels new songs?
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Did'nt think you did..........
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Jul 24, 2004 13:37:42 GMT -5
One question for Cullen90: Have you heard any of Noels new songs? ........... Did'nt think you did.......... *raises hand and acts like 5 year old in school* "I have, i have!!!" ....good point mate |
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Post by Tomo on Jul 24, 2004 14:07:56 GMT -5
What you heard?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2004 16:28:01 GMT -5
Whatever's going wrong probably is Noel's fault. But who gives a shit? He gave us the best band ever and four fucking great albums and a decade of great gigs.
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Post by castlecraver on Jul 24, 2004 20:09:10 GMT -5
IMHO, you couldn't be more wrong. We wouldn't have Oasis or any of their truly great songs without Noel. Noel's always been the greater musical and I'd argue the greater vocal talent of the two (and now that Liam's smoked his voice out, there's no question who's the better vocalist). Noel can do whatever he wants. In sports, when the chips are down you go to your proven players to come through. That's what Oasis should do here -- Noel's carried the band with his songwriting and I trust him to put together an album that suits the band's inspiration and the fans' tastes. Did you even listen to the whole thing?  This is the kind of talk that makes bands break up. Why play the blame game when we're still speculating on what kind of music is even going to be on the next album. All the pieces for another great album are there, and we really have no reason to think they won't come through. Do you really think that Noel is "jealous" of Liam and his songs? Thats just plain ridiculous to suggest. The only way this album could be a failure is if it were full of "Little James'" (If we're going to discuss songwriting failures now). Just relax. The album will come out in due time, and it will be great. |
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Post by Chris Gallagher on Jul 24, 2004 20:44:29 GMT -5
When Liam writes one that goes to number one ill agree? ? Lol looks like u agree cos songbird went straight number one ;D |
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Post by Indo ShakermakeR on Jul 24, 2004 21:09:02 GMT -5
Well yeah, its a fact that not many of Noel songs made huge hits (apart from hindu times n SCYHO - from the last album)....
"i'm not crackin up... I'm just gettin older"
i think that song that he wrote sums up the whole thing...
Like it or not he's a bit like McCartney, a bit tyranical
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Post by ev on Jul 25, 2004 2:50:39 GMT -5
thats the most bs i've ever heard. SCYHO and Hindu Times are amazing tracks. Same with Force of Nature. Liam has wrote like 4 songs in all of Oasis? Better Man Songbird BODC and Little James. Little james is weak, better man is ok and the others are good. Liam isn't as talented as noel musically. and dont even try to say they're close because thats bullshit. Noel made definately maybe with his own skills and knowledge Liam just happened to be a decent enough singer. Noel knows he can't sing very high so he did all the high note singing on every track that needed it.
if it's some mass hype about this recent falling out thats got you this riled up you need to chill because this always happens. they'll put together a good album and everyone will be happy, forawhile.
think about what liam and noel would say if they heard what you said? theyd be like "this guys a fookin square who doesn't know what he's talking about" and it's true because only Noel and the band really know whats going on, we're just people who would like to think they know why oasis isn't as big as they were some 8 years ago. who really cares, they still make good music. noel's taste has become alittle more aged but it's still great rock n roll with liam singing it.
im so baked.
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Post by oa515 on Jul 25, 2004 5:44:13 GMT -5
thats the most bs i've ever heard. SCYHO and Hindu Times are amazing tracks. Same with Force of Nature. Liam has wrote like 4 songs in all of Oasis? Better Man Songbird BODC and Little James. Little james is weak, better man is ok and the others are good. Liam isn't as talented as noel musically. and dont even try to say they're close because thats bullshit. Noel made definately maybe with his own skills and knowledge Liam just happened to be a decent enough singer. Noel knows he can't sing very high so he did all the high note singing on every track that needed it. if it's some mass hype about this recent falling out thats got you this riled up you need to chill because this always happens. they'll put together a good album and everyone will be happy, forawhile. think about what liam and noel would say if they heard what you said? theyd be like "this guys a fookin square who doesn't know what he's talking about" and it's true because only Noel and the band really know whats going on, we're just people who would like to think they know why oasis isn't as big as they were some 8 years ago. who really cares, they still make good music. noel's taste has become alittle more aged but it's still great rock n roll with liam singing it. im so baked. Liam just happened to be a decent enough singer. Absolute shite. I agree he doesnt have the voice he used to have but his voice back in DM and WTSMG time was immense. That voice was the best that any singer has ever had. Ok, Noel wrote DM (which I will be iternally grateful) but, dont kid yourself, 60% of the people who like oasis would not be a fan if it was not for Liam. Perhaps even more. |
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Post by Indo ShakermakeR on Jul 25, 2004 7:50:32 GMT -5
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Post by cullen90 on Jul 25, 2004 9:35:49 GMT -5
I think that Liams voice was really really good on Songbird and Born on a Different Cloud, the best since Whats the Story...Again, I believe this is because he was very inspired by his own awesome song and sang it with inspiration. Also his voice was really good on Scorpio Rising because he was inspired by the song. Liam sings the best when he is inspired.
I'm not argueing that his live singing is up to par though. I thought Liam sang like piss on Familiar to Millions and other live recordings. However the night when I saw Oasis live he was spot on.
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Post by ev on Jul 25, 2004 15:24:11 GMT -5
Liam just happened to be a decent enough singer. Absolute shite. I agree he doesnt have the voice he used to have but his voice back in DM and WTSMG time was immense. That voice was the best that any singer has ever had. Ok, Noel wrote DM (which I will be iternally grateful) but, dont kid yourself, 60% of the people who like oasis would not be a fan if it was not for Liam. Perhaps even more. best voice ever? you might like it alot but it's not even close to the best voice ever. you don't know music if you think he had the best voice. he voice sounded cool, he can't hit notes that most great singers can, and he definately can't beat singers like Bono, Micheal Stripe, Neil Young, John Lennon and Paul Mccartney, Axel Rose, Stevey Nix, etc... Liam has a great sounding voice, but it's not the voice with the most talent and skill behind it. All those "DIVAS" have better voices,in the way they can hold notes and such, they just sing shite music. |
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Post by Angie on Jul 26, 2004 4:32:37 GMT -5
Talking about voices....of course Liam's one sounds great.
But Noel's one?
To me, Noel is a genious in writing and playing his songs.
Most of Oasis success is due to him.
Moreover, I think he has a very charming voice....it sounds so sexy...
I love Liam, but Noel got me into Oasis.
Cheers,
Angie
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Post by jayg on Jul 26, 2004 4:57:13 GMT -5
When Liam writes one that goes to number one ill agree? ? Lol looks like u agree cos songbird went straight number one ;D It didnt. Songbird went in at number 3 in the radio1 official UK top 40. |
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Post by jayg on Jul 26, 2004 5:00:35 GMT -5
Well yeah, its a fact that not many of Noel songs made huge hits (apart from hindu times n SCYHO - from the last album).... "i'm not crackin up... I'm just gettin older" i think that song that he wrote sums up the whole thing... The lyric is actually: " Am i crackin up, or just getting older?" |
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Post by definitleymaybe on Jul 26, 2004 6:21:56 GMT -5
best voice ever? you might like it alot but it's not even close to the best voice ever. you don't know music if you think he had the best voice. he voice sounded cool, he can't hit notes that most great singers can, and he definately can't beat singers like Bono, Micheal Stripe, Neil Young, John Lennon and Paul Mccartney, Axel Rose, Stevey Nix, etc... Liam has a great sounding voice, but it's not the voice with the most talent and skill behind it. All those "DIVAS" have better voices,in the way they can hold notes and such, they just sing shite music. that sounds tad dodgy to me...its not just about how high you can go, or if you can sing in key, i mean those are necessary for the likes of american idol....but the passion? the uniquness, just its appeal to audiences (amongst other things, im not an authority on voices -.- i dotn pretend to be) are the types of things that sets great singers apart from just really good kararoke singers. i mean when liam sings, ppl LISTEN. the pulling power, the authority...he sings each song liek its his own. so yeah =P i do believe that liam is a fuckin great singer. and as much as i adore johny lennon & mc cartney, and their fantastic song writing ability, both dont have 'great' voices...is my opinion. i mean its given us the beatles 'sound' but it aint great. shmeh, i love the beatles and oasis full stop. i analyse too much -.- i mean it sounds good, and thats what counts =) |
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Post by oasisoasis21 on Jul 26, 2004 13:30:28 GMT -5
ANYWAY.......
OASIS=BEST BAND IN THE WORLD.
AND THAT,IS FOREVER.
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Post by Bittersweet on Jul 26, 2004 17:47:54 GMT -5
I would personally like Liam to sing more than 7 songs on an album and a share of the b-sides too, his studio voice is still pretty flawless and he nearly always entertains when the band play live. Someone who can go from sounding like Johnny Rotten for a punk fuelled song such as I can See A Liar to a folk like beautiful song like Songbird is surely worth their salt? As for songwriting Little James is a very personal song that Liam admitted he didn't want released as it is not "really an Oasis song" - check out Take Me from the early days, written with Bonehead. I thought Better Man would have been a better companion for the LBL single than She Is Love which to me is one of Noels worsed busker like vocals but there you go, I still love Oasis but would have liked the DIV producers to have helped evolve the sound or something other than Noels ears, the worse thing that could happen is if people come to think of Oasis as "Dad Rock" but I can't say I particularly dislike any Oasis album apart from bits of Be Here Now that get boring now unless I am totally drunk  |
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Post by nowhereman082 on Jul 26, 2004 22:11:13 GMT -5
How could you say when liam was just copying Lennon's style of singing when he did born on a different cloud and songbird (not that there's anything wrong with that). Imatators are never as good as the original.
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Post by Chris Gallagher on Jul 27, 2004 11:50:54 GMT -5
Ive got a video from totp or cduk of em doing songbird and she says its gone straight to number one? |
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Post by rob on Jul 27, 2004 12:10:36 GMT -5
na it definitely only got to no. 3, i remember listening to the top 40 at the time.
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Post by jayg on Jul 27, 2004 12:19:15 GMT -5
In the CDUK chart it went to number 1, dont know what that is based on but in the radio1 chart is definitely went to number 3 which is based on sales.
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Post by jayg on Jul 27, 2004 12:24:35 GMT -5
best voice ever? his voice sounded cool, he can't hit notes that most great singers can, and he definately can't beat singers like Bono, Micheal Stripe, Neil Young, John Lennon and Paul Mccartney, Axel Rose, Stevey Nix, etc... Liam has a great sounding voice, but it's not the voice with the most talent and skill behind it. But sometimes its not about talent or skill, its about soul. Liam bangs it out and he fuckin means it, u can have ur talent and skill but i would rather have a singer who is fuckin givin it his all and bearing his soul. LIAM GALLAGHER |
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