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Post by spacegirl on May 5, 2005 21:06:24 GMT -5
part of me actually wants labour to stay in power- will be interesting to see how they cope with the long term effects of the mess they are creating... Mess!  They have run the economy like a dream! |
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Post by DixonHill on May 6, 2005 4:33:53 GMT -5
Labour are back in then folks!  |
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Post by Wireless on May 6, 2005 6:04:04 GMT -5
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Post by DixonHill on May 6, 2005 6:46:02 GMT -5
My town has gone back to conservative     mines still Labour. |
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Post by Dave on May 6, 2005 11:20:06 GMT -5
Gerrin, I wanted to have Labour win overall but in my consitituency Lib Dem got in! ;D
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Post by Tomo on May 6, 2005 13:36:07 GMT -5
I know if you dont vote then you cant complain but I just hate the fact that every politician is a lying, balding 50-odd year old bastard from hell. I didn't actually vote this time, it appeared that my local polling station is outside my local pub ....so I thought i'd go in there and have a few drinks with a few of the lads and think about it (and chat up the several bar-babes in there  ). Before I knew it it was closing time and I was absolutely fooking wankered! I couldn't even say 'Blair is a tosser' by the time I came out! Oh well, I was gonna vote labour anyways |
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Post by Dave on May 6, 2005 13:38:48 GMT -5
Christian Aid recieved 212 votes in one constitunecny, it was hilarious.
Labour: 18,024
Tories: 1,422
Lib Dem: 2453
Christian Aid: 212
Those aren't the actual numbers for the big three, cannae remember 'em.
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Post by Dominic on May 6, 2005 15:17:22 GMT -5
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Post by daysleeper on May 6, 2005 18:52:51 GMT -5
Labour  In 1979, when Thatcher was first elected, the richest 10% of the UK's earners paid around a third of all income tax. By the end of the Conservatives' administration in 1997, the top 10% of earners were paying nearly half of all income tax Its also estimated that 95% of all income tax is paid by the highest earning 50% maybe its just me but i prefer actual economic data to pretty pictures speaking of which - "nice" pic in your sig there dixonhill. thanks for that one.... the poll tax - enough has already been said about that. of course it was a massive mistake and Howard was a part of that. he has apologised for it though and people should be entitled to second chances. after all, tony blair has just been given one... but if you guys want to base your opinions on one mistake that occurred over 15 years ago then go ahead. labour actually learned from their mistakes of the past so now we have new labour. i think the conservatives have done the same and will continue to do so. anyway congratulations to labour! obviously im not their biggest fan but if certain problems are addressed early on then they can maybe keep the country on the right track personally i doubt they can though. they've run the economy like a dream huh? well firstly they inherited a great economy from the conservatives, and secondly if you look beyond the newspaper headlines you'll find its not quite the dream they will have you believe. lets just see how they deal with the pension crisis, slowing economic growth, slowing consumer spending and rising interest rates. and lets see how our pay packets look after next years inevitable national insurance and council tax increases are announced.... |
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Post by DixonHill on May 6, 2005 18:56:11 GMT -5
speaking of which - "nice" pic in your sig there dixonhill. thanks for that one.... lol. i'll change it - just for you. |
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Post by Wireless on May 6, 2005 18:57:42 GMT -5
Let me guess, you voted torie? ;D
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Post by daysleeper on May 6, 2005 19:07:43 GMT -5
Let me guess, you voted torie? ;D neh i voted Green....  yeah right  cheers dixonhill - id rather you had fucking spock than him and that troll of a wife! ;D i did vote for conservative, but getting away from the national picture, i live in a labour stronghold (so my vote meant shit) and the local MP is the biggest waste of space ever. he does absolutely nothing for my area. he only appears every 4 years to put his name on the ballot paper! the conservative guy was young, had some real ideas and enthusiasm - regardless of party politics its a shame he didnt get in and actually do something for the city |
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Post by Wireless on May 6, 2005 19:16:09 GMT -5
neh i voted Green.... yeah right cheers dixonhill - id rather you had fucking spock than him and that troll of a wife! ;D i did vote for conservative, but getting away from the national picture, i live in a labour stronghold (so my vote meant shit) and the local MP is the biggest waste of space ever. he does absolutely nothing for my area. he only appears every 4 years to put his name on the ballot paper! the conservative guy was young, had some real ideas and enthusiasm - regardless of party politics its a shame he didnt get in and actually do something for the city Well I live in what has been a labour place since '97, but it went back to tories today, even though the labour mp has done soo much for the area, In my town alone, 15,000 people, there has been 3 brand new schools built in the past 3 years, and one brand new hospital is being built at the moment, all of which he worked his arse off for. Yet people vote for some conservative guy that I - and I assume, a lot of people - havent even heard of. |
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Post by daysleeper on May 6, 2005 19:21:18 GMT -5
Well I live in what has been a labour place since '97, but it went back to tories today, even though the labour mp has done soo much for the area, In my town alone, 15,000 people, there has been 3 brand new schools built in the past 3 years, and one brand new hospital is being built at the moment, all of which he worked his arse off for. Yet people vote for some conservative guy that I - and I assume, a lot of people - havent even heard of. well there must be some reason they voted for him! which town are you in? does sound like a strange result there with those good things happening in your area. but there must be some reason behind - was there a shift in the vote to the lib dems? what was the new majority the tory guy won? |
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Post by Wireless on May 6, 2005 19:25:28 GMT -5
well there must be some reason they voted for him! which town are you in? does sound like a strange result there with those good things happening in your area. but there must be some reason behind - was there a shift in the vote to the lib dems? what was the new majority the tory guy won? heres the stats: news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/html/305.stm |
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Post by DixonHill on May 6, 2005 19:32:08 GMT -5
can we all agree on one thing? that George Galloway is a vagina.
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Post by Wireless on May 6, 2005 19:38:06 GMT -5
can we all agree on one thing? that George Galloway is a vagina. ABSO-FUCKING-LUTLY ;D |
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Post by daysleeper on May 6, 2005 19:39:00 GMT -5
hmm well that seems pretty typical of the national picture. you've got the protest vote against the war going from labour to the lib dems of 3.2%. then youve got the disillusioned waivers who got fed up with Blair and decided to return to conservative, 1.9%. add them together and it means labour loses the seat - probably has very little to do with local politics! but thats the system we have - the local elections are secondary to the national one. people pick blair or howard, labour or conservative - they dont pick local MPs like mr smith or mrs jones... |
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Post by Wireless on May 6, 2005 19:45:22 GMT -5
hmm well that seems pretty typical of the national picture. you've got the protest vote against the war going from labour to the lib dems of 3.2%. then youve got the disillusioned waivers who got fed up with Blair and decided to return to conservative, 1.9%. add them together and it means labour loses the seat - probably has very little to do with local politics! but thats the system we have - the local elections are secondary to the national one. people pick blair or howard, labour or conservative - they dont pick local MPs like mr smith or mrs jones... This is the thing that gets me though, can you belive that the turn out for the whole country is only like 63% or something? Thats just insulting to the people who fought and died to gain and preserve our right to have one!! |
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Post by shakermaker00 on May 8, 2005 22:34:19 GMT -5
does it really make a difference?
eithetr way, both parties are gona try to work towards a common goal.
i personally believe that tony blair is a fuckin moron and the torrys are more educated and fit for the job but ultimately it wont matter. there is no real fuckin workingclass anymore just like there arent any lord fuckin fauntleroys. ahh who gives a fuck.
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Post by spacegirl on May 9, 2005 19:43:01 GMT -5
In 1979, when Thatcher was first elected, the richest 10% of the UK's earners paid around a third of all income tax. By the end of the Conservatives' administration in 1997, the top 10% of earners were paying nearly half of all income tax Its also estimated that 95% of all income tax is paid by the highest earning 50% maybe its just me but i prefer actual economic data to pretty pictures speaking of which - "nice" pic in your sig there dixonhill. thanks for that one.... the poll tax - enough has already been said about that. of course it was a massive mistake and Howard was a part of that. he has apologised for it though and people should be entitled to second chances. after all, tony blair has just been given one... but if you guys want to base your opinions on one mistake that occurred over 15 years ago then go ahead. labour actually learned from their mistakes of the past so now we have new labour. i think the conservatives have done the same and will continue to do so. anyway congratulations to labour! obviously im not their biggest fan but if certain problems are addressed early on then they can maybe keep the country on the right track personally i doubt they can though. they've run the economy like a dream huh? well firstly they inherited a great economy from the conservatives, and secondly if you look beyond the newspaper headlines you'll find its not quite the dream they will have you believe. lets just see how they deal with the pension crisis, slowing economic growth, slowing consumer spending and rising interest rates. and lets see how our pay packets look after next years inevitable national insurance and council tax increases are announced.... You are a misinformed simpleton if you think this country thrived under Thatcher. She screwed this country and the working classes right up the arse to such an extent that we will still be feeling the fallout in another 15 years time! Socially, economically and environmentally, she did a hell of a lot of damage. Some irreversable. |
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Post by kellygin on May 9, 2005 20:13:04 GMT -5
what do tories and the labor party stand for? how close are they to republicans and democrats?
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Post by shakermaker00 on May 12, 2005 12:03:07 GMT -5
In 1979, when Thatcher was first elected, the richest 10% of the UK's earners paid around a third of all income tax. By the end of the Conservatives' administration in 1997, the top 10% of earners were paying nearly half of all income tax Its also estimated that 95% of all income tax is paid by the highest earning 50% maybe its just me but i prefer actual economic data to pretty pictures speaking of which - "nice" pic in your sig there dixonhill. thanks for that one.... the poll tax - enough has already been said about that. of course it was a massive mistake and Howard was a part of that. he has apologised for it though and people should be entitled to second chances. after all, tony blair has just been given one... but if you guys want to base your opinions on one mistake that occurred over 15 years ago then go ahead. labour actually learned from their mistakes of the past so now we have new labour. i think the conservatives have done the same and will continue to do so. anyway congratulations to labour! obviously im not their biggest fan but if certain problems are addressed early on then they can maybe keep the country on the right track personally i doubt they can though. they've run the economy like a dream huh? well firstly they inherited a great economy from the conservatives, and secondly if you look beyond the newspaper headlines you'll find its not quite the dream they will have you believe. lets just see how they deal with the pension crisis, slowing economic growth, slowing consumer spending and rising interest rates. and lets see how our pay packets look after next years inevitable national insurance and council tax increases are announced.... You are a misinformed simpleton if you think this country thrived under Thatcher. She screwed this country and the working classes right up the arse to such an extent that we will still be feeling the fallout in another 15 years time! Socially, economically and environmentally, she did a hell of a lot of damage. Some irreversable. fuckin idiot. thatcher rules |
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Post by shakermaker00 on May 12, 2005 12:04:58 GMT -5
what do tories and the labor party stand for? how close are they to republicans and democrats? 20 years ago they were total opposites. today they are the same fuckin thing with different names. i think in america the political parties have always been the same thing, the rest of the world is just now gettin to that point |
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Post by daysleeper on May 12, 2005 15:44:37 GMT -5
You are a misinformed simpleton if you think this country thrived under Thatcher. She screwed this country and the working classes right up the arse to such an extent that we will still be feeling the fallout in another 15 years time! Socially, economically and environmentally, she did a hell of a lot of damage. Some irreversable. Me misinformed? lol. i'll refrain from calling you a simpleton in return but its you who is misinformed and ignorant if you dont acknowledge the vast strides this country made under Thatcher and the fact that she saved the UK from the terrible times of the 70s thankfully we will still be feeling the benefits in 15 years time but i will say from the start that Thatcher's record in all areas is mixed - she made a hell of a lot of mistakes that cost individuals and the country as a whole, dear. However the overall positive impact of the conservative government up to 1997 is beyond measure. Either you simply havent read about it or you're choosing to ignore it... and ive said it before on this forum - the biggest endorsement of Thatcher's policies is that she killed hard-left socialism stone dead and forced 'new labour' to emerge. Labour's current economic policies are built upon Thatcherite foundations and also the biggest endorsement of Tony Blair's policies will be the killing of the far-right element of the conservative party (which Thatcher admittedly strayed into too often) Thatcher crushed the unions (thankfully a truly irreversable and much-needed victory), raised productivity and GDP, private home ownership, individual share ownership, privatised inefficient national industries and promoted enterprise and self sufficiency. She recognised that the aging inefficient heavy industries of this country were failing and needed to be improved or closed and replaced with high tech manufacturing and new service industries. she understood economics - supply and demand, monetary policy, comparative and competitive advantage, efficiency, productivity. You obviously do not but she did make mistakes and the working class, particularly in the north, paid a high price and should have had a lot more help. that aside, the country is so much better off for having her. |
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