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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Mar 31, 2005 10:42:53 GMT -5
To quote the Millhouse "Look Bart! Alf pogs! Remeber Alf? He's back. In pog form." ;D ;D ;D ;D In pog form
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Post by caro on Mar 31, 2005 11:50:37 GMT -5
anyway the conditions were very bad for the french.... they've been booed from the beginning and i really find that this is not a sportive behaviour... the red card for trezeguet was VERY arguable.... besides this that's true that les bleus are not what they used to be...
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Post by DixonHill on Mar 31, 2005 11:56:18 GMT -5
anyway the conditions were very bad for the french.... they've been booed from the beginning and i really find that this is not a sportive behaviour... the red card for trezeguet was VERY arguable.... besides this that's true that les bleus are not what they used to be... yeah, it wasn't a red card.
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Post by caro on Mar 31, 2005 11:57:55 GMT -5
he's been excluded ;D that the same ;D
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RussLaRoq
Oasis Roadie
My Grandfather sold licorcise secrets to the Russians during the Cold War
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Post by RussLaRoq on Mar 31, 2005 12:37:53 GMT -5
russ la roq is the man
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Post by Wireless on Mar 31, 2005 12:45:09 GMT -5
russ la roq is the man LOL A very confident/arrogant young man!! Welcome to the forum mate ;D
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Post by caro on Mar 31, 2005 16:05:15 GMT -5
just seen muse at glasto 2004 on a new TV channel they're doing a good start ;D
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Post by pizzy on Mar 31, 2005 16:06:16 GMT -5
goog gooog a joob
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Post by belgallagher on Mar 31, 2005 17:18:15 GMT -5
To quote the Millhouse "Look Bart! Alf pogs! Remeber Alf? He's back. In pog form." Now he's back again, curtosity of chano and the L4E forum ;D haha... remember pogs? ;D hahaha love that simpson episode ;D
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Post by nyr401994 on Mar 31, 2005 17:33:09 GMT -5
jooba jooba joob-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ;D
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Post by belgallagher on Mar 31, 2005 18:01:32 GMT -5
i can't stop hearing lyla.. love it! it's so catchy! it's SO bhn!! ;D
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Post by Wireless on Mar 31, 2005 19:11:37 GMT -5
i can't stop hearing lyla.. love it! it's so catchy! it's SO bhn!! ;D Same here ;D I will have to stop listening to it soon though, otherwise I'll become sick of it
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Post by belgallagher on Mar 31, 2005 19:13:18 GMT -5
otherwise I'll become sick of it hope that doesnt happen to me ;D
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Post by pizzy on Mar 31, 2005 19:18:09 GMT -5
i'm going for my 500th post.....nearly there
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Post by pizzy on Mar 31, 2005 19:18:42 GMT -5
5 to go
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Post by Gifford on Mar 31, 2005 19:57:29 GMT -5
look, its my english essay so far!
The theme of drastic cultural change is explored in Chinua Achebe’s Things Fall Apart, Kamala Markandaya’s Nectar in a Sieve and the Poetry of W.B. Yeats. These pieces explore the differences of cultures, and the consequences of their collisions. The works that are examined are conveyed from the perspectives of those whose cultures are being met with another, commonly being the western civilization. The societies are left with drastic changes to them, and in some cases the previous civilizations are extinguished. Chinua Achebe’s Things Fall Apart follows Okonkwo, a member of the Nigerian Ibo clan. Okonkwo’s character parallels his tribe; he is full of confidence and physical strength. It is these qualities and their excess that ultimately leads to his downfall. Because he has become so successful, he has no respect for those who are not thriving. “He [Okonkwo] had a slight stammer and whenever he was angry and could not get his words out quickly enough, he would use his fists. He had no patience with unsuccessful men. He had no patience with his father (Achebe, pg 3)”. Okonkwo’s heavily apparent disrespect for his father, Unoka, is the prime example of his pride and arrogance. Okonkwo and his family are exiled from the village after an accident at Ezendu’s funeral where Okonkwo’s gun misfires and kills a boy. It is during this period of banishment that the connection between Okonkwo and his tribe becomes apparent. It is during this time that a group of British missionaries begins to colonize the area. The civilizations and cultures of the British and Africans collide with violent effects. The first white man to make contact with the people Adame is killed, because the people fear the stranger. This reflects Okonkwo’s character, who resorts to his strength when communication is not an option. In turn, the British destroy the Adame for the murder they committed. Both Okonkwo and his tribe experience a separation from their own culture when the missionaries come to the tribe while Okonkwo is in exile. These missionaries attempt to enforce their religion, Catholicism, to the natives. Many of the Ibo remains skeptical of the religion, out of respect and fear for their native religion. However, Okonkwo’s son Nwoye takes an interest in the new religion and converts. Okonkwo becomes infuriated when he learns of his sons alteration and disowns him. Many natives in the town begin to show interest as well when the church that the missionaries have erected and the British settlement both last longer than the Ibo had expected. Eventually, the friction between the missionaries and the village escalates, as a missionary kills a sacred python. The Ibo banish the Missionaries, which precipitates the return of Okonkwo to the tribe. Upon Okonkwo’s return, he notices that the tribe has changed severely.
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Post by MG on Mar 31, 2005 20:18:31 GMT -5
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Post by belgallagher on Mar 31, 2005 20:35:31 GMT -5
i'm going for my 500th post.....nearly there you are already 500! cheers ;D
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Post by Gifford on Mar 31, 2005 20:56:09 GMT -5
now its.... The theme of drastic cultural change is explored in Chinua Achebe’s Things Fall Apart, Kamala Markandaya’s Nectar in a Sieve and the Poetry of W.B. Yeats. These pieces explore the differences of cultures, and the consequences of their collisions. The works that are examined are conveyed from the perspectives of those whose cultures are being met with another, commonly being the western civilization. The societies are left with drastic changes to them, and in some cases the previous civilizations are extinguished. Chinua Achebe’s Things Fall Apart follows Okonkwo, a member of the Nigerian Ibo clan. Okonkwo’s character parallels his tribe; he is full of confidence and physical strength. It is these qualities and their excess that ultimately leads to his downfall. Because he has become so successful, he has no respect for those who are not thriving. “He [Okonkwo] had a slight stammer and whenever he was angry and could not get his words out quickly enough, he would use his fists. He had no patience with unsuccessful men. He had no patience with his father (Achebe, pg 3)”. Okonkwo’s heavily apparent disrespect for his father, Unoka, is the prime example of his pride and arrogance. Okonkwo and his family are exiled from the village after an accident at Ezendu’s funeral where Okonkwo’s gun misfires and kills a boy. “It was a crime to kill a clansman, and a man who committed it must flee from the land. (Achebe, pg 88)” It is because of the Ibo tradition and culture that Okonkwo is separated from his tribe. However, it becomes another culture that the Ibo are separated from each other. It is during this period of banishment that the connection between Okonkwo and his tribe becomes apparent. A group of British missionaries begins to colonize the surrounding area, and the civilizations and cultures of the British and Africans collide with violent effects. The first white man to make contact with the people Adame is killed, because the people fear the stranger. “The first people who saw him ran away, but he stoop beckoning them. In the end the fearless ones were near and even touched him. The elders consulted their oracle and it told them that the strange man would break their clan and spread destruction among them…and so they killed the white man (Achebe, pg 97)” This reflects Okonkwo’s character, who resorts to his strength when communication is not an option. In turn, the British destroy the Adame for the murder they committed. Both Okonkwo and his tribe experience a separation from their own culture when the missionaries come to the tribe while Okonkwo is in exile. These missionaries attempt to enforce their religion, Catholicism, to the natives. Many of the Ibo remains skeptical of the religion, out of respect and fear for their native religion. However, Okonkwo’s son Nwoye takes an interest in the new religion and converts. “Then the tragedy of his first son had occurred. At first it appeared as if it might prove too great for his spirit. But it was a resilient spirit, and in the end Okonkwo overcame his sorrow (Achebe pg. 121)” Okonkwo becomes infuriated when he learns of his sons alteration and disowns him. Many natives in the town begin to show interest as well when the church that the missionaries have erected and the British settlement both last longer than the Ibo had expected. Eventually, the friction between the missionaries and the village escalates, as a Christian convert kills a sacred python. The Ibo banish the Missionaries, which precipitates the return of Okonkwo to the tribe. Upon Okonkwo’s return, he notices that the tribe has changed severely. The tribe itself is divided on the new teachings of the missionaries. This division among the tribe matches the struggle of Okonkwo, as he feels his tribe has fallen apart and he does not belong to it since the arrival of the westerners. The tribesmen have taken a fondness for Mr. Brown, as he had respect for the culture of the Ibo and had also developed social relations with members of the tribe. But because of ill health, Brown was replaced by James Smith, who creates turmoil between the Catholics along with their converts against those in the tribe who are unwilling to convert. Again, this climaxes with the convert killing the sacred snake, and the Ibo retaliate by burning down the church. The British arrest those who burnt the church and fine them. Those who remain with the tribe hold a meeting to decide what to do about the British. Okonkwo is quick to announce that he will oppose the British even if no one else will help him. A messenger arrives to stop the meeting and Okonkwo kills him. This action parallels the early spirit of the tribe, which Okonkwo still seems to embody; using force when words are not working. This kind of action was not seen since the tribe killed the first white man they saw because they feared him. The British come to arrest Okonkwo, but he has already committed suicide. This action shows the death of the original Ibo tribe. The tribe (and by extension, Okonkwo) had always shown that they favored using action, but when a foreign influence came upon the tribe, their civilization quickly fell apart. As with Okonkwo, when the British came in and others began to convert to the western civilization, Okonkwo attempted to fight them, but instead gave up that fight and ended his own life. In
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Post by Gifford on Apr 1, 2005 0:20:24 GMT -5
finally friggin done!
Sudden cultural change is an important theme in literature and history. The experiences of those who had to relinquish their civilization for another are significant, as they are frequently are the only tie that we have to that culture, which may now be lost. The theme of drastic cultural change is explored in Chinua Achebe’s Things Fall Apart and Kamala Markandaya’s Nectar in a Sieve . These pieces explore the differences of cultures, and the consequences of their collisions. The works that are examined are conveyed from the perspectives of those whose cultures are being met with another, commonly being the western civilization. The societies are left with drastic changes to them, and in some cases the previous civilizations are extinguished. Chinua Achebe’s Things Fall Apart follows Okonkwo, a member of the Nigerian Ibo clan. Okonkwo’s character parallels his tribe; he is full of confidence and physical strength. It is these qualities and their excess that ultimately leads to his downfall. Because he has become so successful, he has no respect for those who are not thriving. “He [Okonkwo] had a slight stammer and whenever he was angry and could not get his words out quickly enough, he would use his fists. He had no patience with unsuccessful men. He had no patience with his father (Achebe, pg 3)”. Okonkwo’s heavily apparent disrespect for his father, Unoka, is the prime example of his pride and arrogance. Okonkwo and his family are exiled from the village after an accident at Ezendu’s funeral where Okonkwo’s gun misfires and kills a boy. “It was a crime to kill a clansman, and a man who committed it must flee from the land. (Achebe, pg 88)” It is because of the Ibo tradition and culture that Okonkwo is separated from his tribe. However, it becomes another culture that the Ibo are separated from each other. It is during this period of banishment that the connection between Okonkwo and his tribe becomes apparent. A group of British missionaries begins to colonize the surrounding area, and the civilizations and cultures of the British and Africans collide with violent effects. The first white man to make contact with the people Adame is killed, because the people fear the stranger. “The first people who saw him ran away, but he stoop beckoning them. In the end the fearless ones were near and even touched him. The elders consulted their oracle and it told them that the strange man would break their clan and spread destruction among them…and so they killed the white man (Achebe, pg 97)” This reflects Okonkwo’s character, who resorts to his strength when communication is not an option. In turn, the British destroy the Adame for the murder they committed. Both Okonkwo and his tribe experience a separation from their own culture when the missionaries come to the tribe while Okonkwo is in exile. These missionaries attempt to enforce their religion, Catholicism, to the natives. Many of the Ibo remains skeptical of the religion, out of respect and fear for their native religion. However, Okonkwo’s son Nwoye takes an interest in the new religion and converts. “Then the tragedy of his first son had occurred. At first it appeared as if it might prove too great for his spirit. But it was a resilient spirit, and in the end Okonkwo overcame his sorrow (Achebe pg. 121)” Okonkwo becomes infuriated when he learns of his sons alteration and disowns him. Many natives in the town begin to show interest as well when the church that the missionaries have erected and the British settlement both last longer than the Ibo had expected. Eventually, the friction between the missionaries and the village escalates, as a Christian convert kills a sacred python. The Ibo banish the Missionaries, which precipitates the return of Okonkwo to the tribe. Upon Okonkwo’s return, he notices that the tribe has changed severely. “Umuofia had indeed changed severely during the seven years Okonkwo had been in exile. The church had come and led many astray…the white man had also brought a government (Achebe pg 123)” The tribe itself is divided on the new teachings of the missionaries. This division among the tribe matches the struggle of Okonkwo, as he feels his tribe has fallen apart and he does not belong to it since the arrival of the westerners. The tribesmen have taken a fondness for Mr. Brown, as he had respect for the culture of the Ibo and had also developed social relations with members of the tribe. But because of ill health, Brown was replaced by James Smith, who creates turmoil between the Catholics along with their converts against those in the tribe who are unwilling to convert. Again, this climaxes with the convert killing the sacred snake, and the Ibo retaliate by burning down the church. The British arrest those who burnt the church and fine them. Those who remain with the tribe hold a meeting to decide what to do about the British. Okonkwo is quick to announce that he will oppose the British even if no one else will help him. A messenger arrives to stop the meeting and Okonkwo kills him. This action parallels the early spirit of the tribe, which Okonkwo still seems to embody; using force when words are not working. This kind of action was not seen since the tribe killed the first white man they saw because they feared him. The British come to arrest Okonkwo, but he has already committed suicide. This action shows the death of the original Ibo tribe. The tribe (and by extension, Okonkwo) had always shown that they favored using action, but when a foreign influence came upon the tribe, their civilization quickly fell apart. As with Okonkwo, when the British came in and others began to convert to the western civilization, Okonkwo attempted to fight them, but instead gave up that fight and ended his own life. Nectar in a Sieve follows the life of Rukmani, a peasant woman living in India. They are poverty stricken and often fall upon hard times due to the weather and family problems. Rukmani’s family and most of their neighbor are heavily dependant on the land to survive; they farm and then sell their produce to make their money. But when the land does not supply them with their crops, they seem to face hardships at every turn.
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Post by Gifford on Apr 1, 2005 0:20:49 GMT -5
It is during this time that the western imperialists begin to colonize India. Rukmani experiences the western culture when a tannery is built. The foreman for overseeing the building tells the natives, who have gathered around the building, to go away Rukmani remarks that “In our maiden, in our village he stood, telling us to go… as if he owned us. (Markandaya, pg 30)” Rukmani is quick to reject these new people and the industry that they have brought with them. “They may live in our midst but I can never accept them (Markandaya, pg 32)” Nathan, Rukmani’s husband recommends that she “Bend like the grass, that you do not break (Markandaya, pg 32)”<br> When the weather becomes ineffectual for the farming, Rukmani’s two sons begin to work for the tannery to support their deprived family. “By the time they had entered their late teens they were earning good wages: a rupee for each day’s work, and without fail they would hand me their earnings, keeping nothing back for gaming or whoring as many of the lads did (Markandaya, pg 67)” During this time, the tannery and by extension the western culture is supporting Rukmani’s family is a much more dependable way than their previous way of life, farming, ever had done. However, this way of life dissipates and eventually turns on the family. The sons decide to leave their job unless their managers pay them more for their work. “’We shall not go back until our demands are met,’ Thambi said ‘All the workers have stopped. We do not ask for charity, but what for that which is our due’ (Markandaya, pg 69)” This shows the sons reliance on the western industrialism, so much so that they have taken their positions for granted, and demand more pay. This eventually gets them replaced at the factory. Rukmani acknowledges that “Into the calm lake of our lives the first stone has been tossed (Markandaya, pg 69)”<br> The next farming season yields the family no crops and they are plunged into poverty. Raja, one of the sons, if killed while trying to steal from the tannery. The position of the tannery and the western culture has come full circle in their relationship with the family. First Rukmani disagreed with the white man invading their culture with their tannery. Then they became dependant on the factory thorough their sons’ jobs. Finally, the tannery becomes the place of their sons death. The second source of the Rukmani’s relationship with western culture is found in Kenny, a white doctor who spends most of his time in the Indian neighborhood as well as opening a hospital (which ironically employs Rukmani’s other son). Rukmani always believes that her problems can he solved by Kenny. When it is found that Ira, Rukmani’s daughter, cannot bear children, she says “My thoughts went to Kenny. He can help. I thought; surely he can do something. My crushed spirit revived a little (Markandaya, pg 55)”. Kenny himself, though, often seems distant from the Indians that he lives among. He says when Rukmani comes to visit him, “do you think spiritual grace comes from being in want, or from suffering? What thoughts have you when your belly is empty or your body is sick? Tell me they are the noble ones and I will call you a liar (Markandaya, 116)” It is interesting that Rukmani, a woman who seems to reject the westerners and the culture that they bring with them, constantly turns to a western doctor for help with her medical problems. However, when she turns to him, he rejects her beliefs about the nature of reality. Kenny declares that “I do not understand you. I never will. Go before I too am entangled in your philosophies (Markandaya, pg 116)” Through the relationship of Kenny and Rukmani, the western thought and eastern spiritualism are pitted against each other. Kenny does become another figure of support for the family, as the tannery had once been when. Kenny builds a hospital, and Rukmani’s son works on building the hospital and eventually working at the institution. “From the day construction began on the hospital, Selvam ceased to belong to us. (Markandaya, pg 124)”. Selvam stays and works with the hospital for the remainder of Rukmani’s life. This shows a successful relationship between the eastern and western cultures. There is a relationship between Things Fall Apart and Nectar in a Sieve. In both accounts, through the introduction of western culture, things in the native culture do ‘fall apart’. With Okonkwo, part of his tribe followed the Catholic missionaries and their religion. Those who did not convert turned against the converts and missionaries. With Rukmani, she loses her son to the British factory that comes to the civilization. Her family does fall apart because of the sudden cultural change that occurs. Okonkwo and Rukmani do share similarities and differences in their plights. Okonkwo is proud of his culture and fears other agents coming in and influencing it. This is the same idea that Rukmani initially subscribes too as well. Where they differ is in their reactions. Okonkwo decides to take up arms against the cultural intruders, while Rukmani ‘bends like grass’ and adapts to the new cultural shift. She eventually uses the new influences to her advantage. In conclusion, these two accounts show the effects of drastic cultural change and the effects on the natives. In these two cases, they are the changes brought on by western culture. The characters that are portrayed in these accounts are eventually brought to their end (or others around the) by the introduction of the new western cultures. As well their native cultures are tested, and for the most part dissolve. These chronicles display the frailty of civilizations as they are penetrated by other cultures, which leads to them eventually falling apart.
now where's that case of labatt blue thats been calling my name all night?
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Post by brumoscardo on Apr 1, 2005 0:30:56 GMT -5
wtf? ?
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Post by Gifford on Apr 1, 2005 0:31:45 GMT -5
wtf? ? whatever to get yer post count up, eh?
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Post by brumoscardo on Apr 1, 2005 0:37:10 GMT -5
whatever to get yer post count up, eh? lol yeah.. but you don't have to go mad
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Post by brumoscardo on Apr 1, 2005 0:37:56 GMT -5
i can't stop hearing lyla.. love it! it's so catchy! it's SO bhn!! ;D yes yes yes!!!
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